I had high hopes for these gloves, I always wear lace gloves or shirts with thumb holes. These gloves looked like everything I was looking for and I couldn’t wait for them to get here. The material is fine but they have no stretch to them for being one size. They do go up over my elbow and I don’t short arms, they went up to about mid bicep on my arm and my arms are not very toned so they just made my arms look really fat. Kind of a self esteem killer after I had so many outfit plans for them. Wouldn’t purchase unless you have pretty toned arms or can get them for $10 or less.